The Catholic Midlife Podcast

with Curtis and Karen Herbert

The Catholic Midlife Podcast

with Curtis and Karen Herbert

The Catholic Midlife Podcast

with Curtis and Karen Herbert

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Listening to Karen and Curtis speak about the messy middle with its accompanying insecurity. I think of Proverbs 31 and the call to "laugh at the days to come." Finding hope in the unknown future and realizing we are always going to be in an insecure place to some extent until we find our home in Heaven. Thanks for a great podcast!

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I am enjoying the kick-off of this podcast and look forward to more. Thank you Karen and Curtis for your wisdom and humor!

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06 | Midlife shifts and rites of passage

Rites of passage in traditional societies show a firm grasp of the phases of transition. A letting go or symbolic death, followed by a wandering time until there’s a new beginning followed by a return to the new normal.  There’s not a big signature rite of passage for midlife. Midlife is spread out over time and has lots of events that mark transitions: marriages, births, deaths, home-buying and relocations, work, children, retirement, and all the rest.  There are SHIFTs, however, that tend to find us in midlife. The power and purpose of these shifts varies. The quality of the transformation...
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05 | Grit and Grace in Midlife Transitions: The “New Beginnings” of Transitions

Transitions have an ending; it’s often called the New Beginning. When the New Beginning starts to show up, you are starting on the end phase!  We’ve been talking about the three phases of transition: the ENDING, the MESSY MIDDLE, and the NEW BEGINNING. These phases can overlap or feel more like loops than a linear process.  As you sort out what’s happening you can ask yourself questions like: “What am I still adjusting to exactly, or what am I still letting go of?”  Or “Where am I feeling disoriented or insecure in this transition?”  This phase can be fuzzy. What...
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04 | Grit and Grace in Midlife Transitions: The “Messy Middle” of Transitions

Ah, the joys of uncertainty! Which way forward? Don’t really know? What’s the plan? So fun! No, that’s not actually true. 😂😂  Nobody likes uncertainty. I’m pretty "certain" of that.  We talk about some of the most misunderstood parts about transition: the fact that the discomfort is necessary and not necessarily a sign that "something's wrong." The magic is in the messy middle of the transition. Sitting with the discomfort lets us come to terms with what’s ending and have the internal changes that are needed to come to grip with it: changes in perceptions, attitudes, and perspectives.  It’s counter-intuitive...
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03 | Grit and Grace in Midlife Transitions: Beginning with an ending; are we saying “no” to the new wine?

We think of life as unfolding chronologically. A story with a beginning, and middle, and an end.  Life, however, will bring us what we don’t expect from time to time. Sometimes that involves an ending.   The ending might be eagerly anticipated, like retirement, getting rid of THAT boss at THAT job, ending your life (by marriage, I mean - I should say your “single” life 😂😂😂).  Or the ending might be feared: getting fired, looking for work in a new career at age 45, or 55. Or unexpected: a health setback, realizing you’re too darn old to play basketball...
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02 | Grit and Grace in Midlife Transitions: Letting go so we can receive new things.

I (Curtis) went my adult life without knowing or thinking about transitions as a “thing.” Sure, I understood that changing jobs or getting married is a big transition. But it never occurred to me that there were stages to a transition, or that some approaches to them were better than others. But now it seems as if I can't get through the day without thinking about transition-related themes. Karen shared that, before understanding some key elements of transitions,she was like a lot of people, and experienced transitions as things to just get through. Understanding a few basic things about transitions...
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01 | Introducing Catholic Midlifers Karen and Curtis; Who are these people and what’s up with them hosting The Catholic Midlife Podcast?  

What’s up with these people? That’s the question.  Actually, there were a few questions because we took turns asking them of each other.  One of the more interesting ones was: What advice would you give your younger self?  It’s surprising how much you’ve LEARNED since you were 20, or 30, or 40, or “beyond.”  One of the problems in advising your younger self is that, no matter what you tell yourself, you need prudence to apply the advice. There’s the rub!  The kinds of things that you would tell your younger self represent hard-earned WISDOM.  When it comes to getting advice,...

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